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23 hours ago, hivanov said:

@Lucaslf It seems quite misunderstanding is going on here. In order to give you  the right advise we will need right info regarding you final products. 

All above mentioned printers are designed to work with standard sizes like - 3R - 89x127mm, 4R - 102x152 mm, 5R - 127x178 mm etc 6R, 8R all those numbers before R are fixed widths(in inches ) - it means that the printer can print only with fixed withs rolls and flexible lengths that user can define in certain min-max borders length for the printer. If you are ok for your costumers to choose from any of those predefined sizes - then you are good to go. Just choose machine with sorter unit for your convenience. All dedicated softwares has order control module with various settings - including to hold certain order if dedicated paper width is not installed in to the machine in the current time and many more.

If your job demands prints outside standard sizes then this technology is not for you.

 

 

Hi mate thanks for your answer

Yeah it makes sense and the answer is yes, will be std sizes. One question. Lets say I have a 5R - 127 mm roll loaded in the printer, that means I can print wherever length I want to, right? 

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23 hours ago, Rourke84 said:

What?? Are you going to cut 15.000 prints with the trimmer?? It's better you buy more printers and load  different size of papers. 3 printers are enough (5", 6" with you can print 4*6 as well, and 8") I actually have 10 DX100 (2 broken) loaded 4" glossy, 4" matte, 5"glossy, 5"matte, 6"glossy, 6"matte, 8"glossy, 8" matte. Btw if costumers have a lot of photos to print and they dnt need immediately i send to print in Lab for dont ruin the printhead.For higher size i have Canon Pro 300 (it's A3+ so you need to use trimmer for get 30*40 and 30*45)

Hey mate yeah that makes sense

What are your thoughts on the DX100? Would you recommend it (would be the DE100 I would be getting)? If you were to start with 2 of them, would you rather go with a DL650 or similar dual rolls or 2 DE100? Cheers

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18 hours ago, Minilab service said:

Epson SL-D3000  DR, Fuji DL600 and DL650 have the same print speed - 650 prints. It is the same printer, so can't be different. On DL650 was typing error. Someone instead 6 pressed 9. If you look on DL600 specification there all correctly ( 650 prints ) .

As I told before Epson SL-D3000  DR and Fuji DL650 is absolutely the same printer., so print speed can't be different. DL600 is the same printer also - just removed one color ( element from head and cartridge.

On all these printers used ink cartridges made by Epson. Fuji branded cartridges have Epson codes, but can buy them only from Fuji.
SL-D3000 
Black C13T710100
Cyan  C13T710200
Magenta  C13T710300
Yellow   C13T710400
Light Cyan C13T710500
Light Magenta C13T710600

DL650 
Black C13T652110
Cyan C13T652210
Magenta C13T652310
Yellow C13T652410
Sky Blue C13T652810
Pink C13T652910

DL600 
Black C13T652110
Cyan C13T652210
Magenta C13T652310
Yellow C13T652410
Light Blue C13T652510

On these drylabs can be loaded two papers ( different size, or surface ) so the same time can print on both of them. If need difference width paper - you need change it. It can do quite fast. Would be more comfortable, than to cut all photo. From all rolls can choose length, which you need. If need paper width can be photo length and paper length can be width on photo. For example on 152 mm width paper can print 152 x 102, 152 x 203 , 152 x 210 and many other.  

 

Hi mate thanks for clarifying the printer output, I would otherwise believe on the 950 prints/h and thanks for the explanation. 

What would you recommend me (in terms of price, quality, capacity and so on), starting with 2  DE100/DL800 or going with a DL650 or similar dual rolls? Cheers

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DX100 sometimes is very awful, clogged often. The secret is always leave it ON and print print print. 1 day stopped without  printing can clog the ph. There are lucky and unlucky printers, sometimes i changed PH at 15.000 prints. Btw DX100 is not producted anymore by Fujifilm and a lot of users said that DE100 is better (better quality parts that last more time and free from errors). 

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First time hear about DL800. I know only Epson SL-D800 ( in Australia it is SL-D860 ) . SL-D800 is just slightly modified Epson SL-D700 ( the same Fuji DX100 ) . The most parts on both models ( cheap, but not reliable print head, pump which fails often and etc ) .

Fuji DE100 just looks similar, but inside is absolutely different printer. DE100 made using Ricoh print head ( similar used on industrial printers ) . Printer not related to Epson at all. There used Fuji, Ricoh and Xerox technologies.

Yes, if to use small printers ( Epson SL-D800, or Fuji DE100 ) then need to buy few printers. On printers will be loaded different papers, so photo from one order will be printed on different printers. Printers do not have sorters, so pictures need to sort manually.   

On SL-D3000 DR , Fuji DL650, DL600 can load two paper rollers, so do not need to change parer very often. Fuji printers have sorters. On SL-D3000 DR sorter is optional ( Epson p.n. C12C815401 ) . Also can be used long print stacker ( C12C890851 ) . On these printers orders will be sorted automatically. On these printers can be changed one print head element. Of course not officially, because Epson and Fuji sell only print head units ( with 6, or 5 elements ) . These printers have more parts, so service not easy as it is on small simple printers. Also these printers more expensive.

Only you know what you need and can choose yourself.

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14 hours ago, Rourke84 said:

DX100 sometimes is very awful, clogged often. The secret is always leave it ON and print print print. 1 day stopped without  printing can clog the ph. There are lucky and unlucky printers, sometimes i changed PH at 15.000 prints. Btw DX100 is not producted anymore by Fujifilm and a lot of users said that DE100 is better (better quality parts that last more time and free from errors). 

actually. dx100 or sld700 is very robust printer....the secret are, always clean that dumping pad (i don't know what is name), the pad where PH rested, always keeps that clean,  and never use power clean more than once. i've seen a lot Sld700 PH last more than 50k prints, and one customer never had to do any cleaning in a year..yes some parts are cheap and easyli dails, but again,they are cheap and easy to find and replace...keeping printer always on ? thst's a bad idea i think, ours always turn off every day and turn it on again the next day and it's fine

 

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56 minutes ago, FUJI-MEDIA said:

Windex? You mean window cleaner? 

How often do you do that?

How do I park the head elsewhere for such cleaning?

i clean it once a month, clean all pad, rubber arround pad and wiper blade, use q tip or printer cleaner tip, drop the solution with pipet or syringe, i prefer pipet (you can get it from drugstore)

to release PH u canuse maintenance software or with harsh way, do Automatic Nozzle Check, when the PH move to the other side, unplug the power cable

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Hi guys 

Thank you for all the answers, I really appreciate it!

I'm doing some homework, learning about the different printers mentioned, getting quotes and so on. 

I'll be making some more questions along the way. Cheers! 

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Hi guys, me again after some advice!

So I made my mind about going forward with two smaller printers instead off a higher volume one. Could I get some advice on the Fuji DE 100 vs. Epson D860 regarding print quality and reliability?

Some facts:

- Fuji DE100

  1.    $ 5k for the printer
  2.    1 year warranty - no extended warranty offered 
  3.    $ 2.5k for computer + MS software

- Epson D860

  1.    $ 4.4k for printer (1 year warranty)
  2.    $ 5.1k for printer (3 years warranty)
  3.    $ 5.7k for printer (5 years warranty)

Thanks for the help!

 

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On 1/18/2021 at 9:46 PM, Rourke84 said:

What?? Are you going to cut 15.000 prints with the trimmer?? It's better you buy more printers and load  different size of papers. 3 printers are enough (5", 6" with you can print 4*6 as well, and 8") I actually have 10 DX100 (2 broken) loaded 4" glossy, 4" matte, 5"glossy, 5"matte, 6"glossy, 6"matte, 8"glossy, 8" matte. Btw if costumers have a lot of photos to print and they dnt need immediately i send to print in Lab for dont ruin the printhead.For higher size i have Canon Pro 300 (it's A3+ so you need to use trimmer for get 30*40 and 30*45)

Hi mate

How do you manage 10 printers at once? Is it 1 computer running them all? How do you sort the orders? After each customer you already manually sort the pictures?

Do you have any experience with the DE100 as well? Or the Epson D860?

What do you think about the DX100 print quality? I´ve printed a few pictures on a DE100 and the quality was really good!

Thanks for the help mate!

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59 minutes ago, Lucaslf said:

Hi guys, me again after some advice!

So I made my mind about going forward with two smaller printers instead off a higher volume one. Could I get some advice on the Fuji DE 100 vs. Epson D860 regarding print quality and reliability?

Some facts:

- Fuji DE100

  1.    $ 5k for the printer
  2.    1 year warranty - no extended warranty offered 
  3.    $ 2.5k for computer + MS software

- Epson D860

  1.    $ 4.4k for printer (1 year warranty)
  2.    $ 5.1k for printer (3 years warranty)
  3.    $ 5.7k for printer (5 years warranty)

Thanks for the help!

 

What are the prices per cartridge? Is warranty for certain number of copies or just over time - like "2 Years/100,000 prints whichever comes first"?

$2,5K for MS soft is waaay too much .. at least 5 people in this forum can make it for you and send it for fraction of the price.

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Yes, from one computer can print on few printers. Small printers ( Fuji DE100, Epson SL-D860 and other ) have not sorters, so orders will not be sorted. Need do it manually. When used few printers and order pictures have different size, or paper surface one picture from the same order will be printed on one printer and other on different ( printed on printer, where is exact paper ) . If printer only one - during one order might be few times need to change paper.

To connect few printers on computer need to install MS01 software. The same software used to install one printer. With Epson should be used Epson SureLab Order Controller ( full version ) . When used Epson SureLab Order Controller LE - can be connected only one printer. If have any questions about software - write private message and I can explain everything.

As I told before Epson SL-D860 ( and other SL-D800 ) - just slightly modified SL-D700. On both printers used the same print head and many other parts. Fuji DX100 was made by Epson ( green painted SL-D700 ) . Printers - made by Epson China. The most parts made in China also. Fuji DE-100 is absolutely different printer. It was made using Fuji, Ricoh and Xerox technologies. On printer used Ricoh print head ( similar to print-head used on industrial printers ) .  Ricoh print head more reliable, than Epson. On DE100 can clean one print-head color. On Epson can clean only all colors.

 

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15 minutes ago, purnomosetiawan said:

Just forget Fujifilm for any drylab and wetlab...Seriously, just forget them, They outsourched everything but the software which is very old, and never been updated..Not to mention tech support

Hi mate

Which printer would you recommend then that would be comparable with the Fuji DE100 is terms of print quality and volume? Cheers

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i would go for Epson D800 , i used it, and i loved it. It's cheap, easy to maintain, and very good after sales support, consumables and parts are easy to find with resonable price. Fujifilm launched DX100, and out of the blue they launched DE100 and stop selling dx100 which is different system, different inks etc....who will guarantee they will not doing same thing with DE100 ? and find another system ? i've seen a lot Fujfilm DX100 owners, converted their printer to Epson D700, rewrite the firmware, all for same reason, they have trouble finding consumables with reasonable price, so they convert it to Epson to use Epson's inks.

 

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Fuji DE100 is more reliable. It has Ricoh print head ( similar to Ricoh heads used on industrial printers ) . Can to clean print head channels separately ( for example only yellow ) .  DE100 made using Fuji, Ricoh and Xerox technologies.

Fuji stopped to sell DX100, because Epson doesn't make them. DX100 and Epson SL-D700 is the same printer. They where made by Epson China. On printers used parts made in China. There used cheap print head ( similar to head used on home printers ) , very bad pump ( common fault )  and other cheap parts. On printer can clean only whole print head ( all 6 channels ) .

On SL-D800 ( SL-D860 for Australia ) used the same cheap print head and many other SL-D700 parts . Printer made by Epson China and most parts are made in China.

If really like Chinese printers then can buy HS-P408 . It is Chinese drylab similar to Epson, or Fuji. HS-P408 is made by Shanghai Hisu Digital Technology Co., Ltd  ( Doli, Chinese minilab maker ) and sold them as Uinpy Drylab P408.

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We are currently using the FUJIFILM DX-100 and DE-100 printers.

They look similar on the outside, but different on the inside. The FUJIFILM DX-100 (EPSON D700) is extremely prone to failure. The DE 100 is much more solid and not so delicate, it has a much better system for securing paper rolls. The color gamut in the photos is slightly different. The DX-100's colors seem more vivid, but this can only be seen directly when comparing the prints from the two devices. The DE100 has only four inks (DX100 six), but thanks to the better print head it even better renders details in the bright parts of the image. In addition, in DX100 very often visible banding appear in large, uniform parts of the image, especially in the blue sky. This is despite the fact that the head passes automatic tests and manual cleaning often does not improve anything.

By launching a joint "cheap photo printer" printer project, FUJIFILM and EPSON shared that EPSON was responsible for the hardware and FUJIFILM for the inks. It was supposed to be as cheap as possible in production. Unfortunately, the business did not go off as planned. Initially, the printers were selling poorly, and they also turned out to be extremely defective. It didn't matter that much to EPSON. The D700 was just a margin of their production. For FUJIFILM, especially after breaking cooperation with NORITSU, having "own" printer is a matter of prestige and to be or not be on the photofinishing market. They have developed a new product based on RICOCH and XEROX technology (of which they was the majority owners). The finished printer was already presented at PHOTOKINA 2016. However, production was blocked by EPSON accusing everyone of breaching patent rights. NORITSU, who also had small printer projects ready, was also hit. Ultimately, everything was put on hold until 2019, when the cooperation agreement between FUJIFILM and EPSON probably expired. During this time, FUJIFILM managed to improve the print quality of the DE100, which at the beginning was clearly worse than that of the DX100. After collaborating with FUJIFILM, EPSON decided to continue its "low-cost photo printer" project by introducing the D800 series models. The major change from the D700 is the replacement of the "FUJIFILM inks" with their own. By the way, an additional button for curling paper has been added. Otherwise, it is a continuation of the countless revisions that the D700 model had during its production. The premise is still the same. It should be cheap and profitable for EPSON.

So which printer is better for you? For me, of course, the FUJIFILM DE100, but everyone has their own opinion.

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3 hours ago, FUJI-MEDIA said:

We are currently using the FUJIFILM DX-100 and DE-100 printers.

They look similar on the outside, but different on the inside. The FUJIFILM DX-100 (EPSON D700) is extremely prone to failure. The DE 100 is much more solid and not so delicate, it has a much better system for securing paper rolls. The color gamut in the photos is slightly different. The DX-100's colors seem more vivid, but this can only be seen directly when comparing the prints from the two devices. The DE100 has only four inks (DX100 six), but thanks to the better print head it even better renders details in the bright parts of the image. In addition, in DX100 very often visible banding appear in large, uniform parts of the image, especially in the blue sky. This is despite the fact that the head passes automatic tests and manual cleaning often does not improve anything.

By launching a joint "cheap photo printer" printer project, FUJIFILM and EPSON shared that EPSON was responsible for the hardware and FUJIFILM for the inks. It was supposed to be as cheap as possible in production. Unfortunately, the business did not go off as planned. Initially, the printers were selling poorly, and they also turned out to be extremely defective. It didn't matter that much to EPSON. The D700 was just a margin of their production. For FUJIFILM, especially after breaking cooperation with NORITSU, having "own" printer is a matter of prestige and to be or not be on the photofinishing market. They have developed a new product based on RICOCH and XEROX technology (of which they was the majority owners). The finished printer was already presented at PHOTOKINA 2016. However, production was blocked by EPSON accusing everyone of breaching patent rights. NORITSU, who also had small printer projects ready, was also hit. Ultimately, everything was put on hold until 2019, when the cooperation agreement between FUJIFILM and EPSON probably expired. During this time, FUJIFILM managed to improve the print quality of the DE100, which at the beginning was clearly worse than that of the DX100. After collaborating with FUJIFILM, EPSON decided to continue its "low-cost photo printer" project by introducing the D800 series models. The major change from the D700 is the replacement of the "FUJIFILM inks" with their own. By the way, an additional button for curling paper has been added. Otherwise, it is a continuation of the countless revisions that the D700 model had during its production. The premise is still the same. It should be cheap and profitable for EPSON.

So which printer is better for you? For me, of course, the FUJIFILM DE100, but everyone has their own opinion.

Do you know how many prints can reach the DE100 Print Head? DX100 Ph at 85.000/90.000 usually get broken and need to be replaced.

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DE100 inks cost twice than Epson D700, and PH cost more than 10 times (in my country) than Epson D700.In the end of day, DE 100 production cost is more than epson d700 (800). Not to mention, when you need part from Fujifilm (here in my contry) it takes months to arrived. Fujifilm Tech and sales (yes here, Fujifilm technician also a sales rep) says DE100 PH will last 200k prints, (but i doubt it it will get half of it).

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