adamwooo Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 Hello, i need paper response for Supra Endura Y and M for DKS 16xx or 17xx and KIS Chemie. Please send it to adamgsx@gmail.com. Thanks and greets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorm Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 On what speed are you running the machine? if 20sec dont use Endura paper as it need 45sec in dev. jorm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamwooo Posted September 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 All process has 129 sek, so i 120 HZ, so i think that dev is 20 sek. Why shouldn't i use endura in 20 sek process?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorm Posted September 10, 2012 Report Share Posted September 10, 2012 You cant get real blacks in endura paper in 20 sec, it is designed for 45sec process, i have tried and result was not good, i have 2 machines and i have one machine on 45 sec process so i can use Endura paper or similar from Fuji. jorm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamwooo Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 One more question, where can i find software to make paperresponse using external densitometer ? I remember the lab use to print grey dots which i have to measure and put data to the software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorm Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 It is build into the software SU-Photo chain- paper response, but you have to have barbieri densitometer. jorm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamwooo Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 in photo chain i have only the sharpness for negative and others and icc profile managment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jorm Posted September 11, 2012 Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 SU (password DKS 3) Did you use "USER" for password? jorm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamwooo Posted September 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2012 Hello again, yes , i didn't know DKS 3 password, i know only tec and user paswords. Thanks for help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamwooo Posted November 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Hello, i bought the barbieri densitometer, i put the supra endura paper into machine in short process 129 sek. Until i make new paper response it wasn't possible to make paper setup. But after i have a little cyan cast on the b&w prints. I didn't calibrate the densitometer before making paper response, so i will make the second try after calibratrion of densitometer, maybe it is the problem. The black is real black colour, i think that is a little better than royal paper, more deep. There is any problem using KIS chemistry and 129 sek process with black colour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamwooo Posted November 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 I have one more question, i saw when i changing paper setup the densito chanel option. Is it the master paper response ? And the paper response is the slave, for more accuracy ? How can i make the densito chanel data? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamwooo Posted November 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Pskaro is it possible to make own densito chanel setup. How can I make it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskaro Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) I have one more question, I saw when I changing paper setup the densito chanel option. Is it the master paper response ? And the paper response is the slave, for more accuracy ? How can i make the densito chanel data? No, densito channel is not a master channel as KIS does not have that option. Densito channel is just a memory value for different paper brand densitimetar calibration, and in that way the customer can have mix paper brand in the cassettes magazines. Off course if you chose paper response (paper profile), you have to chose the correct densito channel so that combination can make a sense. Each densito channel have to be calibrated with its own densito calibration chart which values (gray & white) are measured with external densitometar and then written on that calibration chart and entered in the calibration fields for that specific densito channel. Calibration chart can be printed from constantes folder or you can use standard paper setup print and then read it with external Status A densitometar (X-Rite if you have it as I am not happy with Barbieri Densitometar for that purpuos, for the Paper Response is OK) Pskaro is it possible to make own densito chanel setup. How can I make it? You can use any Densito Channel with the brand name that you do not use (Agfa, Konica...), it is just the memory field, but off course you have to then use that same (calibrated by the procedure I explained in the above text), densito channel with your existing Paper Response (Endura for ex.) Problem with KIS densitometar is that it is not Status A and calibration target fitted with the machine is used only to calibrate Kodak Densito Channel, and even if Fuji calibration target is delivered with the machine, I would not trust the values written on it as I already discovered that when reading that calibration target with external X-Rite densiotometar. I hope that this is the answer to your question Edited November 30, 2012 by pskaro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskaro Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 this is the path for densitometar calibration chart: C:\DKS\Constantes\Mires\Reglages\etalonnage densitometre.PNG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamwooo Posted November 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Pskaro You written "Each densito channel have to be calibrated with its own densito calibration chart which values (gray & white) are measured with external densitometar and then written on that calibration chart and entered in the calibration fields for that specific densito channel". Whre can i find calibration fields for the densito chanel ? I know where can i calobrate the dks densitometer , i know how to make paper response, but i dont know where can i find densito chanel calibration fields Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskaro Posted November 30, 2012 Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 (edited) The values under the calibration menu (su/tec) are the same density values as on the calibration chart (gray & white separately). You probably received with the machine this calibration chart and this values are written on the chart and entered in the calibration menu under the Kodak densito channel (there is the menu for changing this channel to Fuji, Agfa, Konica...) For ex. if you want to calibrate densitometar for the Fuji paper then you should print "etalonnage densitometre.PNG" and read the white and the gray with the external Status A densitometar, (sometime is necessary to multiply it by x100 to get the values for the white around 10 and for the gray around 100 as on original chart). After that chose the Fuji densito channel under the densitometar calibration menu and enter this White/Gray values in appropriate field for each color (R/G/B) and start the densitometar calibration procedure (open the dryer, put that Fuji calibration chart between two input dryer rollers, close the cover, press Start...., and off course after calibrating the Fuji densito channel go to the Measurement menu under the first one, chose the Fuji densito channel and do the measurement procedure (similar to calibration procedure), and check if the values after reading are +-3 from the values on the Fuji calibration chart, if not repeat the calibration procedure and measurement procedure after the values are inside this +-3 tolerance. After that, go to the paper cassette and chose for the appropriate paper magazine Densito channel (Fuji in this ex.) and paper response (Fuji in this ex.) This procedure can be used for what ever paper even if the name off the densito channel is not the same as paper brand, (Agfa densito channel used with Konica paper), as this is only different densito channel memory, but what is important is to connect it with the proper paper response. But all off this different densito channels have a meaning only if the customer is mixing different paper brands Edited November 30, 2012 by pskaro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamwooo Posted November 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2012 Thaks for repy Pskaro. I asked about it because i want to change the paper to supra endura form royal paper. Supra has much better wide gammut of colors. I've bought one roll of supra paper. I try to calibrate it by machine densitometer. It wasn't possible because the grey was cyan. So i made the supra paper resonse, like You said , i multiply data form my external densitometer x100 (2.53 was on densitometer, to machine i written 253). After i made paper resonse , the paper setup from machine started work. Earlier , the cyan cast despite gray not allow to make it. So i think , that better will be to make new densito chanell , after that the grey color will be the grey, and after that make paper response, and will be more accuracy. Is it good thinking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskaro Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 (edited) Idea off course is to have paper setup gray, and to get that, the key is to have good densitometar calibration (built in one). Good densitometar calibration mostly depend off the values on the calibration chart, but I found out that Barbieri does not read this value very well. Try to read the value from the Kodak densitometar calibration test print which you received with the machine (Gray & White parts off the chart) and check if it corresponds with the value written on that calibration test print. If it is very close then your Barbieri densitometar is well calibrated. If there is a problem with the calibration off the Barbieri densitometar it is not that important when making paper response which would be good even if it is not perfect gray, because the paper setup would shift it to the gray (complete curve, not just the 100 value). As I written earlier, KIS densitometar (built in one) is not Status A but it is OK reading the Kodak paper, so I think that it should not have a problem with Kodak Supra paper, but maybe your original calibration chart values are not correct (or there is a problem with densitometar lamp, calibration sticker in the dryer, optical cables...), and I would not trust the Barbieri to do that properly, I used X-Rite to make Fuji calibration test print and used it for calibrating Fuji densito channel and it worked perfectly Edited December 1, 2012 by pskaro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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