Studio01 Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 This is frustrating. Only 1 YEAR after a new LCD was changed in my machine, 24 pixel line strikes again. This will be my 3rd LCD in 5 years!! And with warranty ended I'll to There's a thing that I don't understand: I thought that pixel line appears in the middle of a printing work, but, now (in my case), appears at the begining of the day. After all night, I make the first photo in the morning with the 24 pixel line. I switch off the machine for a pair of minutes and line disappears, and I can make lots (400, 600 or 1.000 photos) with any problem. The day ends. Next morning: 1st photos with pixel line each, have to switch off. Everything's OK. Is it a normal situation? Why after an all-night break 24 pixel line appears and not in the middle of a massive printing) It seems like more time stopped machine more possibility to appear the 24 pixel lines. Studio01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskaro Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 What about the resistor, is it fitted and closed ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio01 Posted July 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 What do you mean with fited and closed? You mean if I have the resistor on the PCB = Yes , you mean if it's connected = YES I have the resistor connected from the begining of the installation of the PCB Driver Epson (6 months) due to a change of this PCB this January 2010. (LCD is from last July 2009) Is that what you mean? Yesterday, after daily stop in the noon for lunch (from 14h to 17h), the first photo had 24 pixel line. I switched off DKS for a pair of minutes and after that I made 1.000 photos with no problem. Studio01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskaro Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 What do you mean with fited and closed? You mean if I have the resistor on the PCB = Yes , you mean if it's connected = YES I have the resistor connected from the begining of the installation of the PCB Driver Epson (6 months) due to a change of this PCB this January 2010. (LCD is from last July 2009) Is that what you mean? Studio01 Yes, that is what I meant, and now I remember that there was a thread about this and that I sugested to remove the connection from the resistor As I never put it on after changing the LCD unit or complete LCD MSB I can not astimate the behavior off the LCD regarding the 24 pixel line problem so maybe on your DKS this strange apearance and dissapiarance off the 24 line problem is standard if this resistor is connected on NEW changed LCD :-/ But what is done is done, be aware when (by technitian) fitting the NEW LCD, do not allow him to put the connection on the resistor, this will give you at least two years or more (depending off the work load), before there is need again for a NEW LCD. Send the mail to KIS regadring this issue (fiitting the connector on resistor with NEW LCD) and after reciving the answer (if it is favorable for you), try to complain to your service departament to at least lower the cost for NEW (soon to be changed :-/) LCD MSB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio01 Posted July 20, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 And, if I disconnect the resistor now? I will have to re-adjust anything? Studio01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pskaro Posted July 20, 2010 Report Share Posted July 20, 2010 I am sorry to say, but I think that now is too late, but only setting which would be needed is flicker (and adjusting it if necessary) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janusjan Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 What I always understood from KIS is, that after installing a new Block, NEVER close the connection for the resistor. Normally it works indeed for some years, then the lines come back, you close the connection and it will work normally again for at least one year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bhatti Posted June 1, 2011 Report Share Posted June 1, 2011 can you tell me the exact location of the resistor on the LCD PCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 Dear All I am an electronics eng from Jordan and 4 months ago a friend of mine asked me to look into the problem he was having with his kiss minilab ...it was 24 line pixel problem , they have put a Resistor before and after a while the problem reappeared , I have managed to solve the problem without having to change any boards or LCD ,I have fixed another one also 3 months ago,and they are working just fine, Thanks to "quick_film" Argiris Bigiakis from KALAMATA - GREECE who send me the manual on 15th march Please contact me on my e.mail if you have any problems. Thanks Eng Hamdi Jafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphmalph Posted July 19, 2011 Report Share Posted July 19, 2011 Can you send me info on this "fix" for 24 pixel line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio01 Posted July 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 Dear Hamdi, I send you a PM to know some details about it Thank you Studio01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidlam Posted July 22, 2011 Report Share Posted July 22, 2011 what a setup here ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio01 Posted August 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Don't expect "magical" solutions to 24 pixel line. The "magical wizard" Mr. Spike is missing and if someone don't want to share their solutions in a forum I'm sorry but I don't trust. I think that a forum is a place to share and help people with common needs, in this case solutions to Kis machines daily problems FREELY. Studio01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridge Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Hi Studio01!! It seams that you have some experience with that 24 pixel line.. , and i´m very angry that every KIS dealer used to told that buy DKS becouce you dont have to change laser´s like Fuji or etc machines..! They kick they own leg for telling that, and KIS wont do anything else than charge new LCD and so on, fix the problem..!! My DKS have now one brighter line in end of the photo sometimes, i can deal with that somehow, but will these lines increase in time or they stay same..? And now that i say this loud, these lines will increase, i´ll bet..!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio01 Posted August 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Yes Ridge! That's what always tell me from Kis: "You're lucky cause if you had a laser minilab a laser is very very very expensive. An LCD is expensive but not as a new laser." Yes but in 6 years I changed LCD "4 TIMES"". Last time was last week. So, when will be the next? I'm beggining to ask details from different brands of Dry Labs, the problem is that nobody wants my used DKS (and I'm still paying it!). Studio01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulfiqar Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Hello friends, I too have a similar problem and require an LCD and a technician to replace it. All kiss are interested are in is selling a new machine to me, ... Can anyone help I am in the Uk. Regards zulf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beach Photo Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 this is not a solution for the 24 pixel problem - but my old tech says the DKS series 3(1710) does not have this problem. maybe an upgrade will work for someone. just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIADH Posted October 30, 2011 Report Share Posted October 30, 2011 Hi I am Tunisian and I have the problem of 24 pixel line in my minilab kis 1550 I connected the resistor and it worked for about 8 months then the problem of the line reoccured again I replaced the resistor and the circuit LT 1963 but after 10 to 15 photos the line reappears again. I switch off the machine and open the PCB door to cool the matrix then switch it on and retry again, 10 to 15 photos... etc... Is there a solution for this problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grreg Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Please check www.alertoff.eu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIADH Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 Is there any one who can send me the software D4.1.12 Lx P2. Is there any way that I can install it without a dongle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bianchi Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Friends, To solve this problem, need to replace the msb, if you have already placed the resistor 1.3 k 1%. However, if you want to replace the MSB, replace the resistor 1.3 k 1% resistor with a smaller: 800 Ohms 1%. Rebuild the Piezo and Uniformity. Will solve for 1 year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muhsin Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Can you send me info on this "fix" for 24 pixel line & email me (tbz1207@telkomsa.net) Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUSSEIN Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 HI we had several 24 Pixel line problems please feed us back in case "fix" :this problems for ( LCD FOR KIS 1510 ) Thank you. ossama Can you send me info on this "fix" for 24 pixel line My email saleh_ossama@yahoo.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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