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We are Africa (Nigeria) based photolab.

We recently acquired and put into operations a used Noritsu 2102. Unfortunately it has not been able to improve our operations as we earlier hoped because of three problems:

1. Frequent burnt out of PM driver board (shutter/stepping motor driver).  We have replaced it three times since April.

2. 35mm Scanner mask not working

3. Our inability to set up and use the CRT.  We had thought CRT will print out passfotos from scanned images since 2UP or 4UP wallet lens is a scarce commodity.

We want you all to come to our aid by providing answers to the followings:

a. Does any one know how we can stop further expenses on ending payment for replacement PM driver?

b. How can we get a replacement mask or reconfigure APS mask to do 35mm jobs

c. Can we achieve our objective with the CRT?  If the answer is yes how do we get it to work?

Prima photolabs.

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It has been a few years since my experiences with QSS2102' and 24's, however I was at one time the Equipment Specialist for these models with  the KODAK facilities in Sydney Australia. I'll attempt to offer some resolution to your problems, but as stated it's been a while!

1.Maybe you should look at replacing the shutter PM itself if this problem of self destruction  for the driver is so frequent.

2.What's the main issues with the 135ANM....please explain. Have you re-loaded the current version of software into the ANM, and then executed the normal sensor calibrations for the device? Executed a full recovery on the machine (insert disc 1-A then power off at the cct breaker then turn on), this can take up to 45 minutes. Back up you current data before hand to FD, but if that's already corrupted you may be in for some more difficulties.

3. Recovery will also initialise the CRT. You must select 215 V or H as the position of the tube. Noritsu documentation that comes with the disks explains the full procedures.

4 You cannot modify the 240TNM or hybridise for 135 use. Two reasons being APS (24 x 17) uses frame detect registration holes to postion film in the gate. 135 uses sprocket holes to measure film advance which has a defualt value of about 189-190mm from memory.  Definately not an option here worth contemplating, with implications for both light source and film term values..... No No No  No.  

Regards

Greg Rogers

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Frequently burning of Shutter motor driver may be coz the shutter motor itself have some problem. check the exposure timings. A standard exposure time must be between 90ms to 250 ms.

try to replcae PM driver for shutter motor and shutter motor together.

Regards,

Narinder Kalia

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Thanks Greg/Narinder,

We will into the replacement of the shutter motors.  Hopefully we hope to move on from there.

On the scanner, I opened it up on Saturday only to discover that some rollers have melted and one belt was missing.  Since it has worked before, we will replace these rollers and the belt to put it back in operations.

Greg, I am afraid we will not be able to initialize the CRT because our lab did not come with the recovery CD.  Is there any other way to go round it?

Prima.

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Prima

Ok! after you replace the rollers and belt, you will have to undertake a sensor adjustment for both the Scanner and printer neg masks using a strip of unexposed but processed negative material (d-min). Ensure all the rollers for both decks  are in good condition as it is critical to sensor and frame stop detection and advance measurements.

You can execute this as a single pass or by sliding the scanner mask to the rear,  do them individually. If you perform this individually it makes it easy to retrieve the film if it has stalled around the loop box area due to other mechanical malfunctions. This step  will automatically measure and calibrate the sensor gain values. If any are out of range or deviate slightly you can input  "corrective" values in Service Mode wiith the Noritsu Password FD. I have since trashed all my QSS21 series literature, so maybe someone else  on this forum may lead you through the menu extensions from a QSS23 which is  slightly  similar in menu structure. The manuals for these machines are not avialable in pdf form so I cannot forward any documentation to assist, unfortunately.

Hopefully your Extension Menu hasn't been locked out by a password. There is a proceedure to clear this if that's the case.

The 240TNM is a very complex item. Some-one at Noritsu scored a lot of "brownie" points with this ingenious design. One has to understand the principles of operstion of the rotating turret device, and it   comes with a few idiosyncracies(I can't spell). I won't even begin to advise on this item unless it is at least functioning in some manner. You will need manuals for this unit.

The CRT:

Is it actually enabled in Option Registration, and from the Operator Functions  (Shift +-5/7.....I forget, something like that!) is it also enable as a Print Channel function. Does the QSS21 see the CRT as connected?

If you have lost communications with the CRT you will need to recover the device remotely with the use of a "Create- a Print" keyboard and input a few command line instructions to enter the CRT. There is a (or was a) a PC emulation plug-in to do the same function. It requires a Mac connector to interface on the CRT motherborad which will require you to remove to upper top cover of the CRT to locate the correct port on the 1000PCB(?)  ...................................  then after that you will have to execute an CRT 18 step setup. If the CRT is somewhat aged then you may never achieve the aims and will fail.

Command line texts were a handwriten instruction passed around the techos (well here in Australia at least). They were extracts from the  Kodak CRT manual for the old stand alone 4" digital printer of about 1994.

To run the CRT as a stand alone device via the SCSI ports located on the rear top of the main CRT chassis (in daisy-chain), also neccesitates a PC  with a SCSI card (Adaptec 2406?), drivers and a Noritsu plug-in for Photoshop as a printer output device. SCSI numerical port assignment is specific and critical with Noritsu plug-ins. The software for these units only came out with Win98 and Mac up to ver 9.2, although will probably run quite happily with W2K. You can then export to the CRT directly from the PC using your own created templates.

So in all.....sorry to be the bearer of sad tidings, unless you have a lot of documentation or know a good Noritsu tech local then the CRT could be quite expensive to recover. It can be protracted and repetitve to finally achieve a "good" result.

Recovery disks are Floppies! there are about 6 or 7 from memory in a set. I Have versions A-010 and A-012 on my old hard drive. I can copy them to CD and AIR-MAIL TO YOU, you can then upload each file(s) to the FD's. I will also have a look for some old techo data from my TI database re the diskettes.

So much for the "doom and gloom". Get back to me with your thoughts.

Greg.

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Be very careful with loading software on these machines, there are a lot of different versions of circuit boards and flash ROMs fitted to these machines. (IX, CE, non IX etc)

Check the version of the software you are running first.

If you load the incorrect software type your machine can be damaged permanently.

There are a few common problems I

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Greg,

From the education you and Dave have provided, it appear all the efforts to get the CRT working does not worth it.  I think I should give up at this stage.  Of course if I don't give up I may not be able to fix in view of the long list of action to be taken to get it right.

As per the stepper motor, we must proceed to change that, and using the guide for calibration to get it right.  I will update you of our progress via this forum.

In case you know where we can get a used 2UP/4UP wallet lens, please do not hesitate to refer us to the place.

Thanks.

Prima.

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  • 4 months later...

Thanks All.

My lab runs very fine now except the CRT which I have given up on.  Our original target of high volume, high quality lab is now being achieved and we are becoming the darling of the local photographers.  I really cherish your piece of advice.

One more thing though.  The zoom lens developed a fault recently (Err 562: Zoom lens operation abnormal).  It was diagonised to be having a faulty zoom lens driver problem.  Does anybody out there having a zoom lens in a garage or warehouse for my lab?  We need this Xmas operations to confirm our position among the top three labs in our locality.  I trust I can count on all af you to make that happen.

Prima.

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Thanks All.

My lab runs very fine now except the CRT which I have given up on.  Our original target of high volume, high quality lab is now being achieved and we are becoming the darling of the local photographers.  I really cherish your piece of advice.

One more thing though.  The zoom lens developed a fault recently (Err 562: Zoom lens operation abnormal).  It was diagonised to be having a faulty zoom lens driver problem.  Does anybody out there having a zoom lens in a garage or warehouse for my lab?  We need this Xmas operations to confirm our position among the top three labs in our locality.  I trust I can count on all af you to make that happen.

Prima.

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