DKS3 centering issue

[sibi]

I have this problem with a very small white border from the right side of my 20.3mm paper as you see in the photo (pixture is placed the way it exits the dryer) :

 

I tried changing the lateral offset but I got this result which isn't what I want:

 

So I want to eliminate the border you see in the first picture, it's less than 1mm. Can I do this easily? My technician says he cannot perform centering of the left cassette because there is a problem with a board. Maybe if I modify a centering *.ini file I can move the frame 1mm and fix this. Any help? 

Thank you

[pskaro]

Yes, you can change the values manually in TransportPapier.ini file in parametres folder.

But I think you have more off angle problem, and maybe up/down or even left/right, but that can be checked only when doing white border print, which I recommend to do when doing centering manually like this so it is perfect in both axis.

This is the part off the Transport Papier.ini file with parametres with which you can play with, make a copy off the original file first, then put the shortcut to the TransportPapier.ini on the desktop, so it is faster to access it, exit the DKS application, change the values and start again the application and do another test with WB. I do not remember the values I changed and did not written it done, but you can first try to correct the angle (change in small increments +/- from the original values and test. It is time consuming process off course, my customer even had external cassette and issue on both boards, so it took even more time, but...

[PHD2]
PISTE_BACK_INT=3.400000 (X axis, back paper, I think ?)
PISTE_BACK_EXT=0
OFF_BACK=0.000000
PISTE_FRONT_INT=3.230000 (X axis, front paper, I think ?)
PISTE_FRONT_EXT=0
OFF_FRONT_INT=0.000000
OFF_BACK_INT=0.000000
OFF_FRONT_EXT=0
OFF_BACK_EXT=0
[ANGLE_DEBITEUR]
INT=0.040000 (try to change this value first, for ex. to 0.100000 and if it is worst, then try -0.100000)
EXT=0

....

[CENTRAGE_DEBITEUR_INTERIEUR]
LATERAL=-2.770000 (Y axis, same for double or single cassette)
OFF_BACK=0.000000
OFF_FRONT=0.000000

If you are not using double cassette at all then put both front and back values to same, as I am not sure which one is used for single cassette or the software is doing some interpolation off those values ?

Lateral offset in S.U. is ment for center laterally each cassette magazine, other then most used one like 15.2 or 10.2 on which this centering is done as master cassette, kind off, not really in KIS, but one which is mostly used 

Edited January 20, 2017 by pskaro

[pskaro]

Oh, I forgot, the numbers I posted here are from one DKS3, but off course the numbers on your DKS3 will be different, also, the right magazine (standard) values to change are under INT, and left (external if exist) are under EXT values

Edited January 20, 2017 by pskaro

[sibi]

Pskaro I have no words to thank you. I was playing with the values for an hour and I managed to fix the problem. First I started changing the INT values of the angle but I realized that I was changing the angle of the right cassete. I managed to correct the angle by changing the [ANGLE_DEBITEUR] EXT (ext is the left cassette as you said in your 2nd post) from 0.0 to 0.11 (by increasing the value the frame rotates counter clockwise). I fixed the angle but still had a very slim straight white line. Then I increased both the  PISTE_BACK_EXT and  PISTE_FRONT_EXT values by 0.1 and this moved the frame to the right, so the white line is eliminated.

 

This is the part of my TransportPapier.ini and the changes I made:

[PHD2]
PISTE_BACK_INT=12.460000
PISTE_BACK_EXT=8.200000  (I changed this to 9.000000)
OFF_BACK=0.000000
PISTE_FRONT_INT=12.340000
PISTE_FRONT_EXT=8.000000 (I changed this to 9.000000)
OFF_FRONT_INT=0.000000
OFF_BACK_INT=0.000000
OFF_FRONT_EXT=0.000000
OFF_BACK_EXT=0.000000
[ANGLE_DEBITEUR]
INT=0.100000
EXT=0.000000 (I changed this to 0.110000)

 

I'm so happy I finally fixed this! Again many many thanks!!!

[pskaro]

No problem, actually I done it like this for the first time a month ago at customer site as there was a problem on one side with both feeders (EXT & INT), so I had to do it in unofficial way .

Maybe I could report this "solution" I found out to KIS, but I am not sure they would like it. I got impression during few training courses in Grenoble, that they are not found off my unofficial way of solving some problems, like my implementation off auto logon function after restart (no need to press nothing to log on and DKS software is automatically started after restart or shut down, nice solution if there is power out during night, as doing it in my way minilab would be heated to set temperature, up and running in the morning), which I pull out on DKS3 machine on which the training was done, the trainer was not happy with my solution

But I recommend to test it with WB print as doing like that would really center the image on the print, and then you can do WB print if needed

Regarding the Front & Back values, maybe they should be increased for the same amount, and not set to a same value as I previously stated, specially if the original values difference between Front & Back is big, I think this logic is better then to set it to same values ?

Edited January 20, 2017 by pskaro

[NeilT]

Well done to pskaro for the help with this.

It shows how Mini Lab Help really is a self help group. 

 

[sibi]

7 hours ago, pskaro said:

No problem, actually I done it like this for the first time a month ago at customer site as there was a problem on one side with both feeders (EXT & INT), so I had to do it in unofficial way .

Maybe I could report this "solution" I found out to KIS, but I am not sure they would like it. I got impression during few training courses in Grenoble, that they are not found off my unofficial way of solving some problems, like my implementation off auto logon function after restart (no need to press nothing to log on and DKS software is automatically started after restart or shut down, nice solution if there is power out during night, as doing it in my way minilab would be heated to set temperature, up and running in the morning), which I pull out on DKS3 machine on which the training was done, the trainer was not happy with my solution

But I recommend to test it with WB print as doing like that would really center the image on the print, and then you can do WB print if needed

Regarding the Front & Back values, maybe they should be increased for the same amount, and not set to a same value as I previously stated, specially if the origiinal values difference between Front & Back is big, I think this logic is better then to set it to same values ?

I use this solution for years!!! I had my DKS2 connected to a weekly timer power socket and added auto logon for the DKS account so as to find it warm& ready every morning and don't spend power at night and protect the boards from continuous usage!!

The same now with my DKS3, I made it to auto log on but because I have added to it an SSD and a Q6600 the program booted so fast that couldn't detect the dongle and I got the "Dongles are not in conformity" error every morning and chemicals weren't ready. I hade to add a startup timer delay of 10 seconds to dks_print.exe so as to fix that!! Now its almost perfect though some mornings I find the machine with a message of "chemical calibration" which also prevents the machine from warming up and I would love to disable! 

I also agree, testing it with WB would make the perfect adjustment, I will do it when I find some spare time.

[pskaro]

"Dongles are not in conformity"  message is somehow coming from LAN (one off my customer discovered that connection), if LAN cable is connected then this message is occurring, probably some network service is not fully started before DKS application. Workaround is as you stated to delay DKS_scan start or to switch off the network hub or disconnect the LAN cable before DKS _scan is started, but your solution is more automated one

Regarding the message with chemistry calibration, there is nice free app PTFB (Push the Freakin' Button): http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/ptfb_(push_the_freakin_button).html, which can be set to run at startup and it will appear in the tray near clock, and you can teach it to press desired button on some specific windows screen that pop up like that chemistry calibration screen or when USB stick is inserted and windows ask for restart (teach it to press NO for ex....), there is also Pro version, but it is not free: http://www.ptfbpro.com.
 

While I am adding some tips, there is also solution for not recognition off new USB stick (issue only on DKS3), because the USB installation limit is reached in registry, and this app can delete all stored USB information (there is also KIS solution for that, but it is too complicated to use, this app is very simple to use): http://www.cherubicsoft.com/en/projects/usboblivion, put it on desktop, do not forget to mark setting to do real clean and start it, that easy

I also translated the DKS GUI to Croatian language for DKS1 & DKS2 (did not have time or will to do it for DKS3 & DKS4), so it is easier for my customers to use it from the start, but it was so funny when one Kodak service trainer guy came to Croatia (long time ago), he could not understand nothing on the screen  I done same thing on Kodak kiosk, also unoficially

As a filed technitian, I always liked to think out off box and do something different then what I learned on those technical courses, off course, intention is always to improve what factory did not do, software or hardware wise 

Unfortunately, over the time  as minilab market is shrinking, my "talent" is not used any more as the last 7-8 years I work mostly as a sales person in the company shop with lab then as a field technician

Edited January 21, 2017 by pskaro

[sibi]

1 hour ago, pskaro said:

"Dongles are not in conformity"  message is coming from LAN somehow (one off my customer discovered that connection), if LAN cable is connected then this message is occurring, probably some network service is not fully started before DKS application. Workaround is as you stated to delay DKS_scan start or to switch off the network hub or disconnect the LAN cable before DKS _scan is started, but your solution is more automated one
 

Regarding the message with chemistry calibration, there is nice free app PTFB (Push the Freakin' Button): http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/ptfb_(push_the_freakin_button).html, which can run at startup and it will appear in the tray near clock, and you can teach it to press desired button on some specific windows screen that pop up like that chemistry calibration screen or when USB stick is inserted and windows ask for restart (teach it to press NO for ex....), there is also Pro version, but it is not free: http://www.ptfbpro.com.
 

While I am adding some tips, there is also solution for not recognition off new USB stick (issue only on DKS3), because the USB installation limit is reached in registry, and this app can delete all stored USB information (there is also KIS solution for that, but it is too complicated to use, this app is very simple to use): http://www.cherubicsoft.com/en/projects/usboblivion, put it on desktop, do not forget to mark setting to do real clean and start it, that easy

I also translated the DKS GUI to Croatian language for DKS1 & DKS2 (did not have time or will to do it for DKS3 & DKS4), so it is easier for my customers to use it from the start, but it was so funny when one Kodak service trainer guy came to Croatia (long time ago), he could not understand nothing on the screen  I done same thing on Kodak kiosk, also unoficially

As a filed technitian, I always liked to think out off box and do something different then what I learned on those technical courses, off course, intention is always to improve what factory did not do, software or hardware wise 

Unfortunately, over the time  as minilab market is shrinking, my "talent" is not used any more as the last 7-8 years I work mostly as a sales person in the company shop with lab then as a field technician

For the dongle issue the nerwork cable solution didn't work for me. Before upgrading the pc I didn't get the error. After the cpu upgrade and the upgrade from hdd to ssd every time I started the pc I got the dongle issue. I opened dongles.exe and the dongle was there so I realized that it was undetected from the dks program because of the increased loading speed. I used a startup delay application added 10sec delay to dks_scan.exe and the problem is gone!!

I will try ptfb but I don't know if I'll succeed because sometimes the chemical calibration window is there and some other times its not.

You have done a great job for supporting this forum members we really appreciate it. It's true the market is shrinking but there will always be someone to use these big amount printing machines!!

Edited January 21, 2017 by sibi

[pskaro]

25 minutes ago, sibi said:

I will try ptfb but I don't know if I'll succeed because sometimes the chemical calibration window is there and some other times its not.

For the PTFB to work, you have to catch that window at least one time, so it can remember it and while on the screen, teach it to press desired button automatically, you can even set delay or not. After that it will remember it as it is waiting in the tray for that window or any other like USB.... to appear and press the learned button every time by itself

Edited January 21, 2017 by pskaro

[sibi]

A little update for the centering: I did what pskaro suggested, WB prints to perfectly calibrate the centering. After merely 20 minutes of correcting the values from TransportPapier.ini I had perfect centering and at the same time perfectly balanced White Border on all papers!!!!  

Also I found what caused the Chemical Calibration message (so I won't need ptfb): Since my DKS2 every night when I turned off the machine I used to leave the dryer raised. In the morning when the machine powered on automatically there was no such message and the chemicals were warming up normally. I did the same procedure with my DKS3 but I got the Chemical Calibration message every morning. I realized that this message is caused from the raised dryer, If I leave the dryer closed the program starts normally in the morning without the chemical calibration message  

[knoppix2008]

Hello. 

I have dks 1530 and i need to move the printing to left a few mm. Please help.