DonCorleone Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 Hello , has anyone encountered differences in paper registration on the software on the FRONTIER-Printer and QSS-Printer software? My test printer: QSS-37 Paper FujiFilm Crystal Archive NEW Same roll of paper The NCE looks completely different 001.jpg – QSS-Printer 002.jpg – FRONTIER-Printer Is it possible to do such a registration on the QSS-Printer or transfer the registration from FRONTRIER to QSS-Printer and use it in the EZ-Controller software? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minilab service Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 Yes, it is possible to use QSS printer instead Fuji printer software. With QSS printer need to load Noritsu profile data Vol.3 and select correct profile. Fuji printer version 4.0 released about 10 years ago. EZ controller 8.10 , QSS printer 19.30, profiles 4.82 released at the end of last year and can be used on W10, or W11. QSS printer has more settings, than Fuji printer. On QSS printer can make middle tone setings, gamma settings, adjiust black level. adjust white level and many other. Also can load custom profiles for monitor and printer. Yes, when installed QSS printer then on this Fuji printer can print from EZ controller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave S Posted April 19 Report Share Posted April 19 Were these prints done on the same machine using the two different softwares? Or was it two different machines? Maybe the wrong paper profile number was used when setting up the QSS-37? Try using Crystal Archive type II instead of Crystal Archive NEW. Without more information as to what steps you carried out prior to making the NCE test prints, it’s difficult to give you more advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted April 20 Author Report Share Posted April 20 19 hours ago, Minilab service said: Yes, it is possible to use QSS printer instead Fuji printer software. With QSS printer need to load Noritsu profile data Vol.3 and select correct profile. Fuji printer version 4.0 released about 10 years ago. EZ controller 8.10 , QSS printer 19.30, profiles 4.82 released at the end of last year and can be used on W10, or W11. QSS printer has more settings, than Fuji printer. On QSS printer can make middle tone setings, gamma settings, adjiust black level. adjust white level and many other. Also can load custom profiles for monitor and printer. Yes, when installed QSS printer then on this Fuji printer can print from EZ controller. I have QSS-Printer version 19.21 and N profiles 4.81. Rolling back the profiles to V 3.0 should help? 9 hours ago, Dave S said: Were these prints done on the same machine using the two different softwares? Or was it two different machines? Maybe the wrong paper profile number was used when setting up the QSS-37? Try using Crystal Archive type II instead of Crystal Archive NEW. Without more information as to what steps you carried out prior to making the NCE test prints, it’s difficult to give you more advice. QSS-3704F/LP7770 i use profile 117 to register paper. 001.jpg – QSS-Printer software LUT number 117 002.jpg – FRONTIER-Printer software LUT A-1? as I remember The steps were the same, i.e. 1. master registration 2. NCE printout differences in the first post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave S Posted April 20 Report Share Posted April 20 Try profile 142 instead of 117 It looks like the Noritsu print is darker and more cyan. Are you sure the master paper was in balance (emulsion number change done) before the test print was made? You can obviously put corrections into the NCE mode to correct the print, I find a good starting point is -100 -100 -100 into the NCE balance memory. It's funny because I've always had issues with trying to get the Fuji software prints in balance (normally yellow on the NCE test print) and the Noritsu software prints have been perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted April 20 Author Report Share Posted April 20 I'm sure because I did the test myself The magazine with the paper was not removed from the printer. i will try profile 142 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted April 20 Author Report Share Posted April 20 i tested profile 142 and the difference between 117 is small - still cyan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave S Posted April 20 Report Share Posted April 20 Put a correction in to the NCE balance/ paper balance to correct it then. The Fuji print looks blue so it's not perfect either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted April 21 Author Report Share Posted April 21 I am not denying or praising any software. I'm looking for a solution to make the gray gray without any cyan moire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minilab service Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 What are D-MAX values for all colors after test measurement? Check processor. When you changed software from Fuji to Noritsu try to make Drive Motor Revolution Count Auto Adjustment ( to correct processor speed ) . Check if selected correct process. Calibrate temperature sensors. With Noritsu software try to make initial setup. Look quality after that. There are many settings on Noritsu software : paper specification registration black balance adjustment brightness of the edge highlight balance adjustment machine to machine variation correction exposure adjustment NCE Fuji profiles are on CD with Fuji printers. They can be installed separatelly, but I'm not sure, that profiles will be valid on Noritsu software. I think Fuji profiles can be registered on Noritsu profile data. QSS37 ( standard minilab - not HD, or G ) profiles are located C:\Noritsukoki\Common\Data\PF\18 . Just need copy profiles and register on list ( edit .ini files ) . Other possibility - just copy profile files and rename. Use paper names, which never will be used. Then if from list choose this paper really will be loaded profiles from Fuji software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted April 21 Author Report Share Posted April 21 in the fuji printer I have only tgt files, and in noritsu nkp it should be like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave S Posted April 21 Report Share Posted April 21 4 hours ago, DonCorleone said: I am not denying or praising any software. I'm looking for a solution to make the gray gray without any cyan moire Yes I realize that. If you have done the steps Minilab service has suggested and it is still cyan, like I have already said put corrections into the NCE balance/ paper balance in order to correct the print. NCE mode.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted May 3 Author Report Share Posted May 3 where do i get the D-MAX values from? Emulsion change test? daily startup test? I did the NCE correction (gray is gray, but more contrasting. It's definitely not 1/4 color) Do you have a higher profile version available (I have F. 1.23) and only TGT files are there. In noritsu, apart from these, there are also .nkp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave S Posted May 3 Report Share Posted May 3 (edited) You need to put an equal - value in to Y M C in the NCE balance to reduce the density. Try something like -4.0 -4.0 -4.0 Edited May 3 by Dave S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted May 8 Author Report Share Posted May 8 I even tried the values -8, -8, -8 - no effect... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave S Posted May 8 Report Share Posted May 8 Did you put -0.8 or -8.0? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted May 9 Author Report Share Posted May 9 -8.0 I entered the values -15.0 -1.0 - 15.0 possible values to enter are between - 20 and +20. I'm out of scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave S Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 Something is not right then if you can't get it to balance within the -20.0 range. What is the reading of the last step when you do a emulsion number change test print? Maybe a screen shot of the colorimeter readings when doing a magazine registration would be better as it then shows all 22 steps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodak_service Posted May 9 Report Share Posted May 9 5 hours ago, DonCorleone said: -8.0 I entered the values -15.0 -1.0 - 15.0 possible values to enter are between - 20 and +20. I'm out of scale. This is pointless and wrong. We need to evaluate the color of the light rectangle, which should be gray, and enter a correction as in normal printing to make it really gray. The main thing is that all corrections must be negative. I recommend that you re-register the paper. because You have already entered many different corrections and this can complicate the setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted May 11 Author Report Share Posted May 11 Initial setup value. NCE it's the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave S Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 Those readings look perfectly normal to me. What software and profile data version are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minilab service Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 On 4/20/2023 at 7:58 AM, DonCorleone said: I have QSS-Printer version 19.21 and N profiles 4.81. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave S Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 Thanks @Minilab service I missed that. So the software is a pretty late version. Have you tried all the settings Minilab service suggested? On 4/19/2023 at 12:02 PM, Minilab service said: On QSS printer can make middle tone setings, gamma settings, adjiust black level. adjust white level and many other. I haven't worked on a 37 series for a long time so I can't remember exactly all the different settings that are there. and my manual is old so doesn't show these extra settings that are on the later software versions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave S Posted May 11 Report Share Posted May 11 You could try changing the setting of the Setup Switch Setup Switch (SP1) When the setup switch is on, the high density section is calculated and Dmax is set to the most appropriate value. When the setup switch is off, setup is performed within the range of the colorimeter specification (Dmax: 2.2 D or less). IMPORTANT • If you change the setting of the setup switch, it is necessary to carry out operations from the initial setup again. • The setup switch is normally left on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonCorleone Posted June 7 Author Report Share Posted June 7 I checked on several printers and unfortunately the change Setup Switch does not help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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